Re: [lojban] {cpedu} places vs. {minde, fraxu} etc.

[la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>]

On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:34:56 AM UTC+4, gejyspa wrote:

If you think of x2 as an object (which it can be), you will see that cpedu is actually in the lebna/cpacu/(te) dunda/benji/(te)mrilu, etc.... family.  The object changing hands being in the x2 spot, and the x3 spot being the other person involved in the transaction.  It's actually pikci which is the minde family.

Yes, that's what bothers me.

Why do we have

{se ckire} being the addressee but

{te ciksi} being the addressee.

It's very hard to remember, non-intuitive etc.

       --gejyspa

On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 8:28 AM, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:

cpedu - x1 requests/asks/petitions/solicits for x2 of/from x3 in manner/form x4.

minde - x1 issues commands/orders to x2 for result x3 (event/state) to happen; x3 is commanded to occur.

Although two gismu are obviously semantically close to each other they differ in the order of arguments.

Is it just a historical quirk?

I guess this is the "error" of {cpedu} cuz other similar gismu follow the structure of {minde}.

fraxu - x1 forgives x2 for event/state/activity x3.

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