Re: [lojban] "Any" and {ro}

On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

zo'e noi ... and da poi ... are completely and totally different. One involves context, the other doesn't (or, in some interpretations, "approximately doesn't", i.e. context can affect the universe of discourse but in any case it is "large"). Moreover, PA lo broda cu brode doesn't imply that no other broda1 brode, whereas PA broda cu brode does.

Those are two very small differences. They do not add up to "completely and totally".

Both are a variable pro-sumti with an identifying clause attached. That spells "very similar" to me.

mu'o mi'e la latro'a

On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:

On 26 December 2012 14:09, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
pa plise = pa lo plise = "one of one or more things which actually is an apple" = an apple (as opposed to "that apple")

This was only true in pre-xorlo. Under the gadri proposal, {pa broda} -> {pa da poi ke'a broda} directly. In xorlo, {pa broda} and {pa lo broda} are thus very different.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

No they aren't.

{pa lo broda} = {pa zo'e noi ke'a broda}
{pa broda} = {pa da poi ke'a broda}

{zo'e noi...} and {da poi...} are very similar in meaning. The two phrases may not be "equal", but they are certainly still equivalent.

On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:

On Wednesday, December 26, 2012 19:58:05 v4hn wrote:
> The question is, what do you answer, if you _don't_ have a specific one
> (or a group of specific ones) in mind, but {lo plise} is the most specific
> thing you can say?

"lo co'e plise"? "lo nalsteci plise"?

Pierre
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