Re: [lojban] searching

[Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com>]

Using Lojban as it is without changing anything, there is a convoluted
way to use sisku as-is, like this:
.i mi sisku lo ka lo mi ckiku cu zvati ce'u kei ro zo'e ne lo zdani
This happens to make sisku actually means something more along the
lines of "x1 checks if the function x2 applies to members of set x3".
However, this means you can say {.i mi sisku tu'a lo mi ckiku} and
leave out the x3, which is still a bit weird.
There has been talk about chaning sisku to mean something like "x1
looks for object x2 in/at location(s) x3", but it's doubtful that a
gismu will get changed.
Otherwise, you were on the right track with troci+facki, but facki2 is
indeed a proposition, but we can use an indirect question to help us
out:
.i mi troci lo ka facki lo du'u makau se zvati lo mi ckiku
This form is fully compositional and can be made into a 100%* jvajvo:
{selzvafaktoi}

So in sum, if you want to keep sisku as it is (which isn't really so
useful) you can say {.i mi sisku tu'a lo mi ckiku}.
If you want sisku to change, use it with its alternate definition: {.i
mi sisku lo mi ckiku}.
If you want to use a lujvo to avoid sisku altogether, use {.i mi
selzvafaktoi lo mi ckiku}.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

On 8 January 2013 11:50, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Going through the gismu on memrise (awesome service by the way), and I got
> to "sisku".
>
> Apparently I've been using this really core word completely wrong.  I've
> been using it like "mi sisku lo mi ckiku", when evidently x2 is a property
> and x3 is a set.... of somethings?
>
> I'm kind of confused by this definition.  So, if there is a set of
> properties, and there is one property in that set which x1 seeks among that
> set x3.
>
> I'm just a little confused about how this is meant to be used.
>
> Meanwhile, what do I say when I'm looking for my car keys?  "mi troci co
> facki lo ckiku"?
>
> Except, double checking to make sure that I've got that right, even that
> seems wrong since to "facki" is to discover a fact about a subject/object.
> I guess an object's location is a fact about it.... but still.... I just
> want to find my damn car keys, how do I say that?!
>
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