Re: [lojban] request for a new gismu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Episodic_memory

[Craig Daniel <craigbdaniel@gmail.com>]

On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 9:21 AM, v4hn <me@v4hn.de> wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 09:09:17AM -0500, Craig Daniel wrote:
>> Isn't this just the distinction between remembering a nu and
>> remembering a du'u? Or am I missing something?
>
> More between {morji lo du'u} and {morji lo li'i}
> as was pointed out already.
>
> However, at the moment {morji} is restricted to {du'u}
> (see definition), so normally you shouldn't be allowed
> to use {morji} with {nu}/{li'i}.
>
> The question remains, whether remembering (possibly non-experienced/
> learnt) facts is the same concept as recalling experiences.
> If it is not, it might not make sense to use {morji} with something
> else than {du'u} and there is the need for a new gismu.

It would hardly be the only mildly polysemous gismu. "balji" means
both the bulb of a plant, and anything bulbous-shaped; "basna" appears
from its definition to refer both to intonations of speech and actions
which call particular attention to something; "batci" refers both to
the act of taking something into your mouth and to squeezing something
between any two other things; "bilga" refers both to duties you have
made a commitment to undertake and those forced on you by others;
"bongu" refers to both bone and ivory, which are quite different from
the calcium found in milk (which is also bongu); "boxna" is slightly
bizarre in that it includes both radio waves and ordinary ocean waves
but apparently not rogue waves (which are aperiodic); freezing rain is
not solid when it falls from the sky, but it and all solid forms of
precipitation are grouped together as "bratu" (though snow also gets
its own gismu), and that's just the b gismu. None of these have
definitions that encompass concepts which aren't closely related
(though the designated "metaphor" uses often strain that particular
claim), but "this covers two similar-but-distinguishable concepts" is
not sufficient to require distinct gismu.

But yes, the fact that the definition of "morji" requires a du'u in x2
is worth patching.

 - mi'e .kreig.

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