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Re: [lojban] request for a new gismu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Episodic_memory



  I haven't seen anywhere on this thread (but maybe in a split-off thread that I haven't read, or stuff in the #irc that has the li'i in the x3.  But as for there being a fundamental relationship between in the x2 and x3 in djuno/morji/et al, I disagree.  In fact, if you view the entire corpus, I will boldly suggest that the incidence in which one or both of these are left blank for those set of bridi far outweighs the incidence of them both being explicitly defined.  Yes, I did it myself just recently in another thread (" iku'i gy te krici lo nu cevni ku lo selfu tu'u"), but usually we say things like "mi morji fi la marias" and there is NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.  We  don't have to mention specific du'u associated with Maria, or indeed the mentioning of them might serve to render those not mentioned as somehow being inferior.  We can zi'o the x2 if it's holistic x3 we wish to talk about, not the specific body of facts associated with it.  And in this case, we are remembering an experience.  I haven't a problem with that.
               --gejyspa


On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
This has already been mentioned, and the answer is the same: you should be able to say "I remember something about someone's experience of being pregnant" (for example, that she got morning sickness) and "I remember the experience of being pregnant [which I experienced myself]". Another way of looking at this is that the relationship between x2 and x3, x1 aside, is fundamental to djuno/morji/most other gismu that involve du'u, which makes it so the zi'o deletion doesn't even entirely make sense.


mi'e la latro'a mu'o

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
  'Course, I don't know why no one has mentioned the obvious-to-me solution.  Unlike the se morji, the _te_morji is not strongly-cased to du'u.  There is nothing wrong with saying "mi morji [zi'o?] fi lo li'i  se tarbi"?

                             --gejyspa



On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
Not the same thing, though, as we've been saying repeatedly; remembering facts about an experience and the experience itself are different concepts.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 9:55 AM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:
la .van. cu cusku di'e

On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 09:09:17AM -0500, Craig Daniel wrote:
Isn't this just the distinction between remembering a nu and
remembering a du'u? Or am I missing something?

More between {morji lo du'u} and {morji lo li'i}
as was pointed out already.

However, at the moment {morji} is restricted to {du'u}
(see definition), so normally you shouldn't be allowed
to use {morji} with {nu}/{li'i}.

Without adding any new gismu, there is also the possibility of:

mi morji lo du'u ma kau li'i se tarbi
I remember what it was like to be pregnant.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i


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