la gleki wrote:
On Wednesday, January 16, 2013 5:57:39 PM UTC+4, xorxes wrote:
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Jonathan Jones <eye...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 6:24 AM, Jonathan Jones
<eye...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> That would have the additional side benefit of freeing up zergau
for
>> "politician".
>
> Sorry. "Legislator".
I think "criminalize" is a better gloss for "zergau". For "legislator"
I would suggest "flafi'i" (or "xelfla"), since not all laws are about
crimes.
I always wondered why {zekri} had no place for the agent who commits the
crime.
At the time, it was pointed out that not all crimes necessarily have "agents" (depending on exactly what one means by "crime", of course).
The currently impending American political crisis involving the debt limit provides one example. Congress has passed laws requiring the spending of money for particular purposes. They also have passed a law saying that the government can not exceed X dollars indebtedness. Since the spending required exceeds available resources, at some point the government will be in violation of one or both of these laws. But there is no agent. It is merely an unlawful situation - a "crime".
Organizations and individuals can come into criminal situations through failure to act, so they are hardly "agents" (though they may arguable be "criminals"), and in some cases the unlawful state may arise despite no one actually being responsible for that happening.
Note that in passing, I have implied multiple Lojban definitions of the English word "criminal". There is an "agent of a crime", there is a "person responsible for the crime occurring", there is "being an unlawful state" or "being IN an unlawful state" (the former being an abstraction, while the latter is a sumti within that abstraction). And then there are a variety of possibilities involving the concept of "guilt".
zergau to me would probably be someone who is agentive in a crime situation. But only if the place structure is appropriately worded.
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