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[lojban] Re: Translating "as"




I'm a beginner to lojban but the way I would explain some of these sentences like this:

(1) I respect you as a friend.

It does not seem to me that you are directly qualifying "you" as a friend. It is "respect" that is being qualified. It could be: "I have a  friend's respect for you."
It is only by implication that we take the person being spoken to to be a friend.
Imagen the phrase, "I respect you as a friend, even though you are not my friend."


(2) I study my dreams as symbolic imagery.

I think this is the same. You are studying your dreams in a way suitable for symbolic imagery, whether or not they are symbolic imagery.


(3) We kept this day as a holiday.

This is different, holiday qualifies day. It looks like it's only complicated at all because "kept" is being used strangely.
"We reserved this day as a holiday."
"In the past we defined this day as a holiday and we continued to do so."


(4) She appeared to them as a fairy this time.

I'm not sure about this one, I think it could be interpreted in different ways.



I'm sorry if this overlapped with what you were saying, klaku; I didn't entirely understand.



On Monday, November 5, 2012 7:05:53 PM UTC, selpa'i wrote:
This construction has come up a lot more recently, and I am drawing a blank how to translate it. It might not be translatable at all, but maybe someone has a good solution. Here are some examples using this particular usage of "as":

(1) I respect you as a friend.

(2) I study my dreams as symbolic imagery.

(3) We kept this day as a holiday.

(4) She appeared to them as a fairy this time.

I've tried a few things, among other things {kai} and {fi'o tarmi}, but I'm not content. Suggestions and ideas are welcome.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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