I don't think a discussion on the intricacies of the universe of discourse is really appropriate in the Beginner's group, especially since we haven't yet come to an agreement on it in things like default scope.
It's also a rather technical problem that doesn't majorly affect conversational Lojban.
Please move any further discussion of this to the main list.
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mu'o mi'e .aionys.
.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
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