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[lojban] Re: Mini-rant: gismu place consistency



On Friday, December 16, 2011 11:17:26 PM UTC+4, Robin Powell wrote:

If I had it to do over again, every gismu with an agent place would
have it as the first place.  Every gismu with an audience or second
agent of any type would have it as the second place.  There would
probably be several other regularities as well.

Let's assume that
xau = BAI tag denoting agent or reference frame.
.iei = BAI tag denoting object.
.uai = BAI tag denoting property of the object.

Then we can rephrase many gismu as
ko'a djuno lo du'u ko'e brode kei ko'e = xau mi djuno .uai lo ka brode .iei ko'i
(the same for {morji} and company)

ko'a kakne lo ka brode = xau [je .iei] mi kakne .uai lo ka brode
ko'a te mukti lo nu brode = xau ko'a .iei ko'a .uai lo ka brode kei te mukti 
(May be xau = gau or xau = ma'i)
These tags can replace FA (a separate set of SE is not needed here if we use {jai}).

For {vecnu, dunda, cpacu} and {benji} we can use {be'i} tags (if {benji} is about sending objects, not information) as the core semantic prime for those gismu seems to be the same.
For sending information another set of BAI might be needed.
 

I've been saying {manci} and {melbi} to my babies *a lot*, and I
*still* have trouble remembering that it's {do melbi mi} and {mi
manci do}.  GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.


This is not the problem. We can just use {selmanci} and forget about {manci}.
{xabju = se zdani} is a better example showing redundancy.


-Robin

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