Re: [lojban] Baby words: "into", as in "into the toilet".

[selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de>]

la .camgusmis. cu cusku di'e
> How do I say "please pee in the toilet" or "don't pee on the
> ground"?  {fa'a} and {ne'i} both apply to the action of the main
> bridi, right?

Yes.

> So {.e'o do pinca fa'a/ne'i/??? le vimstizu} means
> something rather a lot different (and, in fact, {pinca fa'a le
> vimstizu} is exactly the problem we had earlier today!).

(You probably meant {pincyvi'i}, not {pinci}, which is the urine itself)

{pincyvi'i fa'a lo vimstizu} means "pee towards the toilet". Too vague 
in this case, though often sufficient.

{pincyvi'i ne'i lo vimstizu} means "pee whilst being in the toilet"; 
quite unpleasant. :P

These two can be combined, to make the first one a little more precise:

pincyvi'i fa'a ne'i lo vimstizu
pee towards the inside of the toilet

When this is not enough, there are other options — I'll list some that 
first come to mind below, I'm sure there are many more options.

It might sound funny, but maybe {renro} isn't too bad? At least it has a 
destination place.

.e'o do renro lo pinci lo vimstizu ba'e *nenri*
"Please throw your piss *inside* the toilet." (Who says you can only 
renro with your hands?) (The disadvantage is that pincyvi'i is no longer 
the main-selbri)

There is also:

.e'o do pincyvi'i fau lo nu lo pinci cu tolcliva lo vimstizu nenri

.e'o do pincyvi'i ja'e lo nu lo pinci cu zvati lo vimstizu nenri

There is a shorter option:

.e'o do pincyvi'i zo'e ne se mu'u lo nenri be lo vimstizu

or

.e'o do pincyvi'i lo muvdu be lo nenri be lo vimstizu
"Please pee something that moves into the toilet."

This isn't so bad, but it would be even easier if pincyvi'i had a 
destination place. Unfortunately, vikmi doesn't either, so it would be 
strange for pincyvi'i to have one.

If renro isn't unthinkable, then one could possibly say:

.e'o do pincyvi'i fi'o te renro lo nenri be lo vimstizu

Maybe some of these suggestions are of use.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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