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Re: [lojban] jbopatfu needs help.
Good points you have!
Certainly I'm at a much lower level of fluency than you are, Robin, but I recognize the struggle of learning and how time consuming it is.
You're not the only one with the ambition of raising children bau la lojban. I am myself going to be dad (for the second time) this autumn, and then I will be the only person trying to speak lojban to him/her. I doubt I will succeed though.
Learning lojban at the same time as being a father of a 9 year old girl, working, studying at the university, taking driver's license, is not an easy task. But still I'm trying (in my own pace). And I also agree with Robin that more audio material would enhance learning.
Ok, I don't offer much help to you, Robin, since I am as stressed as you. Instead I'm contributing to the community in more subtlier ways now and then by adding valsi in jbovlaste. Right now my project is to add all genera of plants as stage-3 fu'ivla (short rafsi). Maybe not the most important thing to do, but something I do when I sometimes got some minutes over to spend.
/seb
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12 mar 2013 kl. 00:16 skrev Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>:
> tl;dr: jbopatfu is stressed; skip down to the bullet points to see
> how you can help.
>
> For those of you who don't know: I'm raising twin daughters, and I
> am speaking Lojban to them almost exclusively (no-one else is).
>
> In the course of raising the jbocifnu, recently I feel like there's
> this barrier between me and the next level of fluency, and the only
> thing I can think of to fix it is listening.
>
> In particular: it's too fucknig hard for me to learn words.
> While it's not as easy as it was when I was a kid, I still can pick
> up words very easily in English, Lojban is *much* harder.
> The place structures only explains a small part of that.
>
> The (comparatively) great effort involved in speaking Lojban and
> learning vocab is starting to upset me; I expected to be past that
> by now.
>
> On top of that, my life has become *very* overwhelmingly busy; it's
> been hard lately to just be calm about life in general.
>
> It's very easy for me to look at my life and go "What would give me
> a bunch more time?" and come back with "not speaking Lojban to my
> children", but I don't want to go that route.
>
> So, here's some things that might maybe help. They're not
> especially reasonble, but quite frankly, I feel like the community
> owes me at this point.
>
> 0. Be *gentle*. I need people to gently, softly cajole me an a
> lot of this stuff. That means even though I asked you to bug me to
> do X, I'm usually going to say no. Be nice about it.
>
> 1. I want to hear more of the language. I think *listening* might
> help me level up. Make or find voice recordings. Make it very very
> easy for me by sending me simple links to MP3s (dropbox.com is good
> for hosting this sort of thing, by the way) of Lojban speaking that
> doesn't obviously suck; it doesn't have to be great, but it should
> be longer than 5 minutes, please. Collecting a bunch of short bits
> together would be fine.
>
> 2. I've fallen out of the habit of being involved in Lojban stuff,
> and especially chat on a regular basis. Come find me in #lojban and
> try to engage me in conversation.
>
> 3. Find me in #lojban and see if I'll voice chat. If we do, be
> prepared for me to go at my own pace. Constantly repeating is very
> tiring.
>
> Feel free to make suggestions as to how you can help.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Robin
>
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