Re: [lojban] Re: jboselkei

[Betsemes <betsemes@gmail.com>]

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 12:37 PM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:
> ti'e na ku rau da pu kelci .i ja'o lo se pleji na vamji lo ve pleji .i
> ku'i da'i mi .e ju'o cu'i lo drata cu gleki ja se cinri lo nu di'a zasti fa
> lo selkei .i pei

Hello Selpa'i and sorry for waiting so long to reply on this topic. As
you can see on the text I quote below, I think jboselkei is unreliable
as a learning tool. Maybe this one email to the list was the starting
point that lead jboselkei to be abandoned. After this, I think nobody
wanted to improve it.

On Fri, Dec 1, 2006 at 9:47 AM, Betsemes <betsemes@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/30/06, Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Why not do the first steps using jboselkei? Did you know that
>> jboselkei upgraded yesterday? It looks great and has some improvements
>> to the user interface.
>>
>> http://www.teddyb.org/jsk/
>
> Sorry, Matt, but jboselkei is unreliable as a learning tool as I see
> it, and I'll tell you why. It's a game rather than a learning tool as
> it is currently designed, and as such it forces both novices and
> experienced lojbanists to review translations. This means that both
> right and wrong reviews will get mixed up without any means to comment
> and/or challenge the reviews. Anyone should have the opportunity to
> post comments on any review and the translator should have the option
> to challenge the review while explaining why is he/she doing the
> challenging. Since jboselkei in it's current form does not provide for
> this, then it mixes up right and wrong reviews indiscriminately,
> making it an unreliable source of learning material.
>
>> What if the next upgrade to Jboselkei allowed the user to upload an
>> mp3 file of the Lojban translation?
>
> That would be an excellent idea, but an audio file should also be
> reviewed/commented on so the problem given above does not get repeated
> on the audio files. Badly pronounced audio files could be mixed up
> with good ones.
>
> I began some time ago to use jboselkei thinking that it could be a
> good learning tool. I was disappointed with it, so I stopped using it.
> Right then, it was said at the list that such way of posting comments
> on reviews should be a feature to be added on a future upgrade. Since
> I regarded such an implementation to be top priority over anything
> else, I went eagerly to see what changes were made. Boy, I was so
> disappointed. The looks and feel of the game seemed to be top priority
> rather than improving it's usefulness as a learning tool.

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