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[lojban] Re: A Discussion of the Lojban System of Place Structure
On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 7:08:36 AM UTC+4, Daniel Evans wrote:. ui coi ro do
I'm Daniel Evans, and I figured that I would share my thoughts on the lojban place structure. I've been thinking about it for a few weeks, so I finally sat down today for about four hours and typed up a really rough paper about it.
In a nutshell, I say it should be trashed. Thrown away. Why? Read the paper, and then tell me what you think :)
As selpa'i already mentioned this system once existed and it was called N-paradigm (http://loglan.org/Paradigms/paradigm_n.html).
After that Lojban was created. It tried to fix that system by introducing BAI class of cmavo.
You mention Russian and as a native speaker of Russian I can wholeheartedly say that I hate it's case system.
Indeed, only 6 cases (or only 12 cases like in Loglan) lead to raising of terrible metaphors in the language.
Is it bad? For Lojban as a linguistic/logical/philosophical tool it's bad. For Lojban as a possible spoken language? I don't know.
After all we do have this case system even in the current Lojban.
e.g. {fa'a} roughly corresponds to Dative case.
We can say {mi dunda ti fa'a do} (I give this towards you) but it'll be kinda metaphor.
But yes, no one can stop you from speaking such Lojban.
so BAI can be used instead of FA.
As for SE they can be replaced with jai BAI, e.g.
{do jai fa'a dunda ti fai mi} = you are given this-thing by me.
So your proposal is okay. Just continue learning the vocab and the grammar and we'll be happy to hear you speaking your own style of metaphorical Lojban.
Isn't it what most flexible languages in the world should allow for? ;)
I'll preface it (I did say this in the paper as all) with this: I don't think it's an awful system. Nor am I gonna be angry if everybody hates it. Keep in mind that I just blazed through a ten page paper, and didn't take a whole lot of time to revise my thoughts. I just wanted to get my thoughts down and organize them for myself. Doing so was best achieved by writing a paper about it, and that ended up being too much work to keep it to myself. I'm interested by what others think. It would be unbelievably cool if my ideas could be implemented, but I don't necessarily expect it.
It is attached to this post. Enjoy!
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