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Re: [lojban] Re: "Any" and {ro}



 am not quite sure what this is a list of, some are cases where "any" cannot occur (a,b), some are cases where it can, along with "some" (d,e), some are cases where "any" but not "some" may occur (c,f,g,h,i but all slightly odd), cases where "and" and "some" (and "every") can all occur, but with different meanings (j), and cases where the "every" meaning is paramount (k,l,m).  Hmm, the oddity of f is that it belongs in the last set. h isn't odd, on second thought, it is just remote from the "not".  Nor is i, although the negation is buried in the verb "The bank succeeded in making some decision."  j and c (not sure why 'irrealis') are a pair; change the modal and you change the rule; that is, "must" is inherently negative (or at least unfactual) while "may" is not.  As usual, finding where to put the quantifiers seems to be the main guide, along with which quantifier to put.  So, yes, it is not really a problem -- figure out what you want to say and say it and don't worry about the quirks of English.
 



From: la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2013 7:51 AM
Subject: [lojban] Re: "Any" and {ro}



On Wednesday, August 15, 2012 4:35:28 PM UTC+4, la gleki wrote:
I couldn't reply to the post (due to server error every time i tried to send my reply) so I'm creating another topic.

This is really an interesting question.
*Any* ideas of how to express "any" in Lojban?
I can clearly feel the difference between "any" and "each/every/all" ({ro}) but I can't describe it.

Well, I've got two links.

http://migmaq.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/McCulloch-2012-Migmaq-Indefinites-handout-for-OWNAL1.pdf
http://www.linguistics.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/bla/beyondsem2011/aguilar_final.pdf

This is the exhaustive (as of 2012 ;) ) list of examples that describe the difference between some and any.

a. SK specific known Somebody called. Guess who?
b. SU specific unknown I heard something, but I couldn’t tell what it was.
c. IR irrealis You must try somewhere else.
d. Q question Did anybody tell you anything about it?
e. CA conditional antecedent If you see anybody, tell me immediately.
f. CO comparative John is taller than anybody.
g. DN direct negation John didn’t see anybody.
h. AM anti-morphic I don’t think that anybody knows the answer.
i. AA anti-additive The bank avoided taking any decision.
j. FC free choice You may kiss anybody.
k. UFC universal free choice John kissed any woman with red hair.
l. GEN generic Any dog has four legs.
m. IND Indiscriminative I don't want to sleep with just anybody anymore.


It seems that "any" is a non-problem. Do you za'o have problems with translating these examples?

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