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Re: [lojban] Forethought Tanru-Internal TAG Connectives
la tsani cu cusku di'e
I'll get straight to the point: they don't exist.
In general, there is a lack of forethought TAG connectives [1]. You can
say {TAG gi broda gi brode}, but not *{ge BAI gi/bo? broda gi brode},
although you can do it with afterthoughts: {broda gi'e TAG bo brode}.
And then there the reverse also doesn't work; that is, TAG afterthoughts
without logical connectives like *{ko'a bai bo ko'e}.
Also, the current parsers don't like {ge broda gi ba bo brode}.
The lack of consistency annoys me, as I'm sure it does others, too. It's
part of what makes me in favour of the connective reform involving such
things as {gije} as a replacement for {gi'e}, which would equally
provide us with a means for producing non-logical bridi-tail
afterthought connectives.
That makes us at least four or five then.
P.S. It occurred to me that they didn't exist when I tried translating
"We do what we must because we can" as *{.i zukte lo semu'igi se bilga
gi se zifre}, but {TAGgi} only works for non-tanru-internal forethought
connectives.
Do you want a forethought version of {lo se bilga je mu'i bo se bilga}
or one without the logical connective? I think both should be allowed to
exist, but currently neither does.
(Under GIJA) would something like {se mu'i gu broda gi brode} work? As a
reminder, GU would be the GI of tanru forethoughts (GUJA replacing GUhA).
Using {zukte semu'igi lo se bilga gi lo se zifre} is out of
the question because the meaning is different. I want to get at the
meaning of "we do the (things that we must do because we can do them)"
rather than "(we do the things that we must do) (because we can do
them)." In sum, the fact that these types of connectives don't exist
is frustrating and inconsistent and should be fixed in order for the
language to be in accordance with its philosophy.
Amen.
mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
[1] This table (from CLL Chapter 14, Section 20) clearly shows that
forethoughts don't come with TAG support:
construct afterth. foreth. afterth. foreth.
logical logical non-log. non-log.
--------- ------- ------- -------- --------
bridi ijek* gek ijoik* joigik
sumti ek* gek joik* joigik
bridi-tails gihek* gek --- joigik
termsets ek* gek joik* joigik
tanru parts jek guhek joik* ---
operands ek* gek joik* joigik
operators jek guhek joik ---
tenses/modals jek --- joik ---
abstractors jek --- joik ---
An asterisk (*) indicates that tensed connection is permitted.
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