Re: [lojban] 5 classes of sumti in Lojban and about a new word for "grammatical abstraction"

[la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>]

On Saturday, April 20, 2013 6:23:22 PM UTC+4, xorxes wrote:

On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 12:05 PM, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:

All lojban constructs can be divided either to 

{apstrake}: {bridi}, {fasnu}, {selsku}

or {naly'apstrake}: {namcu}, {dacti}.

Shouldn't the category that includes dacti also include mucti?

 

Sure. We just dont have a word to describe it, do we?

"li mu cu binxo lo jubme" and "lo plise cu binxo lo du'u ta blanu" both seem like category mistakes, but "lo xadni cu binxo lo pruxi" or "lo cevni cu binxo lo remna" seem fine to me, from a grammatical category point of view. 

I would also include fasnu in the same category that includes dacti and mucti.

I probably wanted something different. Now my question is: do we have right to put all {su'u} places into one grammatical class? gimste is not clear what type NU is in what place needed. 

Even if there are reasons to subcategorize them, the division here is not as clear-cut as in the case of namcu, bridi (and selkai, terki'i, ... ). Is a waterfall a dacti or a fasnu, is it something different from water falling?

It would also be useful to have a general word for bridi/selkai/terki'i/... independent of the number of open slots.

note taken.

 

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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