Radical Change (was: [lojban] Should I quit learning Lojban?)

[John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>]

I hope we don't often discuss what to radically change in Lojban, at least before we discuss whether Lojban needs any radical changes.  That involves going back to a specification of what a logical language is and seeing in what ways Lojban falls short (or overachieves).  In a paper I was writing for LCC5 (but dropped) I worked with the minimal definition: a monparse language in which the parse of any discourse revealed its logical structure, and looked at what could be added back to the logical structure derived from a discourse that would keep the structure but be "sufficiently languagey".  Given that definition and approach, Lojban needs no radical change, and few minor tinkerings (vocabulary excepted).  What definitions and approaches suggest the need for something more radical?

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From: la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Should I quit learning Lojban?

On Saturday, April 20, 2013 12:24:12 AM UTC+4, shanoxilt wrote:

Obviously, the answer is that you should do what you most want to do.  

Follow your dreams. Chances are you haven't found the right way (for

you) to study Lojban yet;

I'm terrible at studying. I can't seem to stick with it consistently. :(

 

Would you like to tell us how you did it so far? What are the problems you are encountering that make you so frustrated. 

The logical aspect of the language is a bit counterintuitive, perhaps unnatural. Also, gismu with more than 3 sumti are difficult to remember. In addition to this, there is always a new discussion about reforms despite the fact that so few have learned standard Lojban. 

mi na jinvi lo du'u ma'a so'iroi casnu lo srana be lo nu galfi lo jbobau i sa'u ma'a casnu lo vrici smuni ja gerna nabmi poi zasti bau lo so'a bangu

i je'u so'u da poi se terdi cu casnu lo simsa i la'e di'u mupli pa lo krinu lo nu mi prami lo jbogu'e cecmu i uinairu'e lo jbopre po'o ba'uru'e casnu lo cinri ke bangu stura pevpagbu

I don't think that we discuss very often what to radically change in Lojban. We simple discuss various semantic or grammatical problems that exist in almost all languages. The fact is that very few people on the earth discuss similar things. This is one of the reasons why i like Lojban community. It's a bit disappointing that only (<-- yes, I'm exaggerating a bit) Lojbanists discuss interesting aspects of language structure.

 

Sorry if this wasn't helpful, but I can neither in good conscience force

you to stay if you don't want to, nor is it my desire that you leave

Lojban behind. It's entirely up to you. If you need help with Lojban, we

are there for you.

Thank you. I just don't want to disappoint myself and other Lojbani. If you recall, I am one of the moderators of /r/Lojban on Reddit so it seems I should have mastered this language by now.

 

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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