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Re: [lojban] A use for {me SUMTI mei}
la tsani cu cusku di'e
{me SUMTI mei} is awesome...
Thank you for taking the time to respond.
... and it seems like we can nicely gloss it as
"x1 is an amount (on an unspecified scale) represented by SUMTI. IMO,
however, the x2 should simply be the type of stuff being quantified.
This makes it hold more consistently with the BPFK definition of numeric
mei.
Yes, that is exactly the problem I had with my proposed definition; it
doesn't parallel {PA mei}. This one does, however, for the price of no
longer being able to "quantify the quantity". Of course you can instead
do this directly via SUMTI itself, so it's not a real problem I guess.
Indeed, rather than numerically quantifying some x2s, which is what
the numeric version does, we can vaguely quantify by comparison with
another object.
e.g. {.i mi pinxe lo me lo xance mei be lo djacu} {.i mi citka lo me lo
palte mei be lo cakla}
Yes, that is a very practical place structure, and it has the same
structure as {me SUMTI moi}, which is a big plus in my opinion.
I would still like to work out a Lojban definition, though.
Interestingly, it is possible to express {me SUMTI moi} in a way that
gets rid of ordinality, using {ckini}:
x1 me SUMTI moi x2 boi x3 : x1 me x2 gi'e ckini SUMTI x3
And how about:
x1 me SUMTI mei x2 :
x1 me x2 gi'e mapti lo co'e be SUMTI lo ka ce'u klani ma kau zo'e/zi'o?
I introduced {lo co'e} because klani2 must be a number and the
contextual vagueness needs to be mirrored in the definition. {lo co'e}
would stand for things like {lo canlu} or {lo sefta} etc, which is left
up to context. What do you think?
Also, now that we apparently have a use for both {me SUMTI moi} and {me
SUMTI mei}, we should finish the job and give the rest of MOI an equal
treatment. That is, we ought to look for meanings for {me SUMTI si'e},
{me SUMTI va'e} and {me SUMTI cu'o} or else we are left with an ugly
hole in this paradigm.
mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
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