Re: [lojban] Why is there no noodle gismu?

[Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>]

 Wow... lots of different stuff in this thread.

  1) I agree with Robin that in most English speakers' heads (cooks aside?), a "paste" is, well, gee, much like the the lojban definition of "pesxu", which includes "mud/slurry/puklp/mash" and "[soft, smooth-textured, moist solid]"  When dried, pasta is not moist, or soft, and certainly not a mud or slurry.  Nor is it after being cooked.  Therefore I don't think "pesxu" belongs in the veljvo be fo lo  lojbo xelfanva be zoi gy pasta gy, since at most points in times of encountering it, it is not a slurry.

  2)  Hmmm.. I suggested (and had accepted)  "mayvpesxu" for oatmeal/porridge in Karl Naylor's 2007 translation of Goldilocks http://mail.lojban.org/lists/lojban-beginners/msg04798.html, but I don't see it in jbovlaste.  Corrected.

  3)  uasai  Didn't know that buckwheat isn't a grain.

  4) side, culturally non-neutral note -- In US government regulations, a "noodle" must contain eggs and be ribbon shaped. http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfCFR/CFRSearch.cfm?CFRPart=139&showFR=1  (except chow mein noodles, Ramen noodles, and other "Oriental noodles")

      --gejyspa

On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:

On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 11:39:53PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 05:28:17AM -0400, Robert LeChevalier
> wrote:
> > Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> > >>>*Why* do people keep talking about {pesxu}?  My noodles are
> > >>>*not* a paste!
> > >>
> > >>But pasta IS "paste", by definition, whether your pasta is or
> > >>not.
> > >
> > >The spaggheti I buy is not a paste.  When I cook it, it is not
> > >paste.  When I eat it, it is not paste.
> >
> > The (English) dictionary says otherwise.
>
> I don't care.

To be slightly more useful:

In my dialect, no-one would *ever* point at a bowl of spaggheti or
fettucini or tortellini or ravioli and say "Wow, that's some nice
paste you've got there".  It just ... no.

Similarily, no-one would ever point at a metal knife and say "What a
great rock!".

It is true that pasta was once a paste, and it is true that metal
used to be a rock, but in my dialect they are *not* synonyms.  If
they are in your dialect, well, that's drift, but I'm a native
speaker, so we don't actually get to argue about this, merely state
the difference and move on.

But I think it's far more likely that you're pushing the point for
sake of argument, and I'd like you to stop.

-Robin

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