Re: [lojban] Re: [lojban-beginners] questions about lojban

[Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>]

On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 8:57 AM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:

la .aionys. cu cusku di'e

On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 7:55 AM, selpa'i <m3o@plasmatix.com> wrote:

On 21.05.2013 13:25, Robert LeChevalier wrote:

selpa'i wrote:

That's exactly the part that got changed in December 2011, when the
sentence "When an outer quantifier is used without an inner quantifier,
''lo'' can be omitted." was removed. This means that "PA broda = PA lo
broda" *was* part of the original BPFK-approved proposal from '04. (the
recent change wasn't followed by another round of voting of course)

Who had the authority to make such a change?

xorxes made that change after being asked to do so. I think PC was complaining.

If it isn't voted on, the change is not official, and as you can see,
people won't understand what you mean. That is WHY it is supposed to
be hard to make changes, and why they are supposed to be strictly
controlled.

Of course, but there is no institution left to vote on such things right now, is there?

Yes, there is. It's called the BPFK.

The BPFK is out of business, that was my point. The BPFK is not in a state where it can vote.
"Yes, there was. It was called the BPFK."

Yes it is. Post something that needs voting on to the list, those members who care will vote, those members who do not care will abstain. Voting is not a difficult thing.

[snip]

I assume you posted the lengthy explanation about the BPFK's duties not to educate me, but to explain it to the general audience on the beginners list.

A bit of both.

Whether or not this discussion belongs in the Beginner's list, obviously the above information does, since what should be common knowledge apparently isn't.

What should be common knowledge is not that there is such a thing as the BPFK, but that it is dead now. It seems more useful to create a new taskforce (it might end up having the same name, but certainly not the same members) as soon as CLL1.1 is done.

Not active is not dead. There's nothing for the BPFK to do as long as the language freeze exists beyond doing that which is required to lift the freeze- documenting the language as is. The fact that documenting the language is dull and dreary grunt work that quickly makes anyone who is doing desire to do something else, and that therefore no one, BPFK member or not, is working on it, does not make the BPFK dead.

And it isn't the CLL1.1 that's preventing any BPFK work from being done. It's the documentation of the language as is that's doing that.

 

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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