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Re: [lojban] A bug in the CLL 7.6 example 6.14).



On Monday, June 17, 2013 2:20:36 AM UTC+4, tsani wrote:
{.i lo nei troci cu bebna} ;)


Is it a joke? If not what does it mean?
 


On 16 June 2013 18:04, Ian Johnson <blindb...@gmail.com> wrote:
Useful examples of {nei} are somewhat hard to produce. As selbri or even seltau it is essentially useless, because the result is recursive; this is the case for 6.14. Even as sumti it's not that common, in my experience, to need {lo SE nei} and be unable to use both {vo'V} and {ri}, since this means you need nesting and a nested bridi with > 2 sumti in it.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o


On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 2:46 PM, la arxokuna <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
http://dag.github.io/cll/7/6/

For good examples of “nei” and “no'a”, we need nested bridi contexts:

6.14)  mi se pluka le nu do pensi
             le nu nei kei pu le nu do zukte
       I am-pleased-by the event-of (you think-about
             (the event-of [main bridi]) before the-event of (your acting).
       I am pleased that you thought about whether I
             would be pleased (about ...) before you acted.

6.15)  mi ba klama ca le nu do no'a
       I [future] go [present] the event-of you [repeats outer bridi]
       I will go when you do.

Acc. to jvs {nei} = pro-bridi: repeats the current bridi.

So the CLL contradicts it.

I also don't understand the meaning of example 6.14) if we assume {nei} refers to the current bridi, not the main bridi (the one that has {se pluka} as a selbri).

I suggest removing 6.14) and replacing it with something having the correct usage of {nei}.
I suggested {mi lumci lo nei} (I wash myself) but JCowan said there could be much better examples.

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