Re: [lojban] Please, the best explanation of {le} vs. {lo}

[".arpis." <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com>]

On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Анатолий Гашев <volishavas@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi! If I want to say "I have a car. The car is white.":
(I'm interested only in differences between {le} and {lo}.)
1. with {le}: mi ponse le karce .i le karce cu blabi
2. with {lo}: mi ponse lo karce .i lo karce cu blabi
I think the first choice is better. Am I right?

I would still use the second choice, because to me, the most important feature of {le} is not the specificity (Russian gets by without a distinction between specific and non-specific just fine), but the non-veridicality (i.e. that {lo broda cu broda} is tautological but that {le broda cu broda} is not).

Better than the second choice, I'd probably use
1. {mi ponse lo karce .i ky blabi} or
2. {mi ponse lo karce noi blabi} or even
3. {lo karce ge se ponse mi gi blabi}.


In both the sentences you gave, the second {karce} isn't necessarily, but is probably, the same as the first {karce}; in the ones I gave, it's clear that I'm referring to the same car (well, (1.) is slightly ambiguous, but less so than yours

Both your statements are comparable to "У меня машина. Машина красная."

My alternatives are comparable to:
1. "У меня машина. Она красная."
2. "У меня машина которая красная." or "У меня машина красная."
3. "Машина моя и красная."

пятница, 21 июня 2013 г., 17:26:12 UTC+6 пользователь .arpis. написал:

{le} is what you say when you have a particular thing in mind or when you want to indicate that the thing you're talking about isn't necessarily a {broda}; {lo} is what you say whenever you don't want to indicate the previous fact. Most people use {le} for "the", but I think this is malgli.

On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 5:29 AM, la arxokuna <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:

mi'a got a request to explain the difference between {lo} and {le} with good examples from English. The person who is asking for that is not satisfied with what is described in BPFK sections of lojban.org. Please help.

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