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Re: [lojban] "we" and masses. A bug in the CLL?

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Subject: Re: [lojban] "we" and masses. A bug in the CLL?
From: Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 07:45:42 -0400
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I think the problem you and I are having is the meaning of the word "specific". We are not talking here of "steci", but more like the following definitions of specific from m-w.com:

1a : constituting or falling into a specifiable category

b : sharing or being those properties of something that allow it to be referred to a particular category
4 of, relating to, or constituting a species and especially a biological species

i.e. klesi or jutsi

When I say "mi me la'oi turniansky" It means "I am of the category/species Turniansky" If I say "mi me lao'i Turniansky lo ka jbena" it means "I am Turnainsky by birth"

--gejyspa

On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 7:24 AM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:

la gejyspa cu cusku di'e

Of course it can mean both. The CLL version of "me [ko'a]" is
equivalent to the ma'oste "me [ko'a] ro da".

"among" is not the same as "specific to in everything".

So we just say that "me
broda zo'e" is usually understood to mean just that.

I don't know why one would want to keep the ma'oste meaning. It can be expressed using other words (cf. ckini, moi, steci), but xorlo-{me} is a core part of the language.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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