Re: [lojban] Making a jbo locale file and package for installation, need some suggestions.

[Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>]

On Monday, July 08, 2013 14:52:25 Feilen Haksan wrote:
> I've decided to scrape together a Lojban localization file, to match the
> one used and distributed for Esperanto, to make it so that open source
> software that takes advantage of locales can easily be translated.
> 
> However I've run into a couple things that I think would be best to consult
> on first. Here's a (mostly comments) version of what I have so far:
> 
> http://pastebin.com/WX3mTMeZ
> 
> Anything with %% is to point out something specific.
> 
> *Date/Time:*
> 
> Monday-Friday can use the planetary Lojban equivalents, or the
> numerical equivalents. Which would be preferable?

I'd prefer either the fire-water-wood system or the color system to the number 
system. AFAIR the dispute about whether to put "moi" in the number day names 
hasn't been resolved. The fire system is known throughout East Asia (China uses 
numbers, but I'm sure that Chinese have seen dates written in kanji in 
Japanese); the color system is peculiar to Lojban.

> Each month has a lujvo and cmene equivalent, again, which would be best?

Fu'ivla. The Gregorian calendar is the fourth version of the Roman calendar, 
so we should use the Roman names. Note that "martio", "prilio", "madjio", 
"djunio", and "djulio" cannot be entered in jbovlaste because of a bug in 
vlatai.

> What do we want for 3-letter abbreviations?

Fire: sol, lur, fag, jac, mud, jim, der.
Color: xun, naj, pel, crn, ccn, bla, zir. Not sure whether Wed should be ri'o 
or rio instead of crn.
Months: ian, fre, mar, pri, mad, djn, djl, avg, sep, okt, nov, dec.
Just asking that presupposes the question: how do we indicate an abbreviation 
in Lojban? If we don't indicate them as such, someone's going to try to parse 
"naj" as a cmevla, or something like that. We can't use the period, as that's 
used in Lojban to denote a required pause. I've proposed using ՟ for this.

> What date format do we use, or do we just inherit it from somewhere else?

For all-numeric dates, year-month-day. Dates written out in full are like "lo 
8moi be lo djulio be lo 2013moi nanca".

> *Numbers:*
> *
> *
> There's no way I can make it output digits as letters, unfortunately. I can
> control decimal points, thousands seperators, and a couple of others.
> Should we leave them as-is?

The file has a comma as the decimal point. I prefer the period, because that's 
what programming languages use. My father was French, so I am familiar with 
using the comma.

> On currency, do we have a symbol we wish to use? Would it make sense to use
> EUR? Do we want +/-, just -, or even {ma'u|ni'u}?

Until someone starts issuing a JBR or comes up with a symbol for it, beats me. 
+/- or just - is fine. There's a symbol ¤ called the currency symbol, but for 
what currency, I don't know.

> *LC_MESSAGES:*
> *
> *
> Only really one thing here, what letters are yes, what letters are no?

j (for ja'a) is yes and n is no.

> *Phone/address:*
> *
> *
> Does it really need any change, and if so, where?

The phone number is fine, though not all countries use 00 as the international 
calling code. As to addresses, I don't know what an address in Lojban would 
look like.

As to names, we don't have equivalents for "Mr." and "Mrs.".

Pierre
-- 
lo ponse be lo mruli ku po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko

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