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Re: [lojban] Baby words: "more".





On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 9:09:38 PM UTC+4, Latro wrote:
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 10:40 PM, Robin Lee Powell <rlpo...@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
That is a *great* workaround, thank you.

I'd still like a reasonable way to say "more", though.  za'u is
*greater than 1* by default, so, no, I disagree that it means that
as the language is currently specified.

As xorxes suggested 1.5 years ago you can use {ve zmadu: "x1 is an additional amount on top of x2 in property x3 totalling x4"}
 

-Robin
A fair few of us have suggested defining it to be {za'u xo'e} where the convention is that {xo'e}={pa} if context is insufficient to resolve a different referent. At any rate {za'u xo'e} is there if you want to be explicit.

I don't believe one can easily determine if the current context has xo'e=1; or xo'e=0; Who decides? What is the defining criterion? If you are unsure za'u quickly becomes a synonym of su'o and we lose plural marker.


Also sorry for copy-pasting the following but i really have nothing to add to it:

On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 07:19:41PM -0300, Jorge Llamb�as wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Robin Lee Powell
> <rlpo...@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> >
> > I have, For Some Time Now (tm) wanted a "more than the current
> > value" and "less than the current value" PA (or, more usefully,
> > a "current value" PA). �This is just another reason.

> Suppose "va'ai" is the current value. How would that work?
> If I say "xu do djica pi va'ai ladru", does that mean "would you
> like the current amount of milk?" Would that be the amount she
> already had, and I'm asking whether she would like a second amount
> like it? Or is it asking whether she is satisfied with what she
> has had?
I would say the latter.

> Would "za'u va'ai" mean an amount larger than the current one,
> such that she would end up having the current amount plus this
> second, larger amount on top of it, or would "za'u va'ai" be just
> any additional amount on top of the current one (but how would
> that fit with the normal meaning of "za'u"?)
Hmmm...  Damn you and your logic.  :P

You're right, you can't really do that with quantifiers, because
you're quantifying the amount of stuff, not whether that amount of
stuff is new or not.

-Robin
 

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