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Re: [lojban] Re: How to prevent nintadni from saying {la broda mi cmene}



Looks to me like nintadni mistakenly think {la} is a quoting word like {zo}, which it isn't.

Which means the problem isn't in the definition of {cmene} but in the teaching of {la}.

On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 5:25 PM, ianek <janek37@gmail.com> wrote:
I somewhat agree. But the references in the gimste are not that strict, for example you can say {lo po'olska cmene mi} — 'I have a Polish name'.

mu'o mi'e ianek


On Sunday, July 28, 2013 8:33:58 AM UTC+2, la arxokuna wrote:
cmene x1 (quoted word(s)) is a/the name/title/tag of x2 to/used-by namer/name-user x3 (person).
cusku x1 (agent) expresses/says x2 (sedu'u/text/lu'e concept) for audience x3 via expressive medium x4.
preti x1 (quoted text) is a question/query about subject x2 by questioner x3 to audience x4.
zo quote next word only; quotes a single Lojban word (not a cmavo compound or tanru).
zo'oi quote next non-Lojban word only; quotes a single non-Lojban word delimited by pauses (in speech) or whitespace (in writing)
lu start grammatical quotation; quoted text should be grammatical on its own.
lo'u start questionable/out-of-context quote; text should be Lojban words, but needn't be grammatical.

As you can see it can be called
1. "quoted words"
2. "text"
3. "quoted text"
4. "quote next word".

I think this is the explanation of such mistakes. Nintadni don't realise what should be put in what place and don't understand that those 4 terms describe the same.
I think gimste should give clear references to selmaho/types allowed in each sumti place. PEG doesn't group this type of sumti into one place, it calls zo, lo'u "start left quote" or something. May be we should specify a lojbanic term for that?

Actually we have the same problem with ka/ni/nu/du'u in gimste. Nintadni don't know what to put where leading to {kamsutra} jokes.

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