Re: [lojban] Re: A new member has some questions

On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 4:31 AM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:

I accept both of those statements. OTOH, the things I mentioned still mark the text as unusual in Lojban.

I agree wrt initial capitalism. I've literally never seen any lojbanist sufficiently capable enough to be beyond the nintadni stage use it, and the example given is the first time I've personally encountered it even as an example.

Capital stress marking, however, I do not find unusual, for at least two reasons: Many people simply cannot /do/ stress marking by the very nature of their keyboard without some kind of special setup (I can /fairly/ easily because I have a program called FreeCompose on my Win-box and have set up the compose function on my *nix-box, so à is simply <Caps>,<A>,<`>) and even then, capital marking is simply easier since A is a single combo keypress (<Shift>+<A>); capital marking is the form chosen by the designers for the simple fact that regardless of medium, if you can type in the Latin script, you most certainly can type capitals, whereas the same is not true for accent marking. (ASCII-only mediums are the obvious example.)

However, I will agree up to these points: {ZARci} has fallen out of practice in favor of {zArci} within capital marking, which is most likely a result of the natural laziness of humankind; {zàrci} does /look/ better than capital marking.

On a slight tangent, has anyone proposed /which/ accent mark to use, or is it still entirely user preference as to which of àãâáäā to use?

stevo

On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 2:09 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 12:00 AM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:

Lojban doesn't mark names by capitalization, which is used to indicate stress, although rarely (usually acute accent marks are used). Thus {Ucauricu'um} is stressed on the first 'u' (which is okay if that's how you say it), and {Zurzulapitcis} is not Lojban, despite it following {la}.

Neither of those statements are technically true. Accent instead of capitalization is an accepted though not officially indoctrinated means of marking stress, and marking non-standard stress /at all/ is so rare a thing that "usually" is rather difficult to provide evidence for.

Secondly, saying that a word following la isn't a name merely because it contains a capitalized initial is rather more an opinion than a fact, as camxes is perfectly fine with it.

stevo

On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Lormoral King <ucauricuhum@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, October 2, 2013 10:30:25 PM UTC+2, iesk wrote:

mi'e Ucauricu'um (I hope I said that right)

.i ko seka'i mi rinsa la .zurzulapitcis. lo litytce pe'u do vau zo'o

do djuno fi la Zurzulapitcis i mi zanru ledu'u go'i

mi'e Ucauricu'um

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