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Re: [lojban] e'u vimcu fi la'o gy Wave Lessons gy

On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 6:37 PM, guskant <gusni.kantu@gmail.com> wrote:

> mi pensi lo jufra poi basti tu'a la'o url
> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/wavelessonscontinuedp2
> url
> i la'e de'e zasni se platu
> i ko te pinka lo basti
> to fe ji'a lo glico pe mi ki'u lo nu mi na filta'a fo lo glico toi
> i .ai mi ba za stika tu'a la boxna
> fa'o
>
> 1.
> Lojban users have found it useful to supplement with four additional quote
> words. They are all experimental, and the formal grammar does not support
> it.
> ->
> Some Lojban users have found it useful to supplement with four additional
> quote words. They are all experimental, not supported by the formal
> grammar, and what is worse, [
> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/FY2m4kqJ_tg/discussion|muchproblematic in parsing with an experimental grammar].
>

E'u la Boxna noroi skicu lo zasni gerna gi'a tavla fi ri.
I e'u finti lo zasni gerna ctuca cukta, co sepli



>
> 2.
> __''zo'oi''__ Quote next word only. Next word is identified by pauses in
> speech or whitespace in writing:
> ->
> __''zo'oi''__ Quote next word only. Next word is identified by pauses in
> speech or whitespace/dot in writing:
>
>
> 3.
> It's very easy to use. Again, note that all grammar bots will consider the
> sentence not grammatical, because these words do not exist in the formal
> grammar.
> ->
> It is apparently very easy to use, but as a matter of fact, general use of
> them is very problematic. Users should be aware that the word following
> ''zo'oi'' should not include a period, a glottal stop nor a pause. For
> example, the following sentences are not parsed even with an experimental
> grammar!
>
> Example of written text: ''ko iklki sedi'o zo'oi http://www.lojban.org/''
> __Error__, because ''zo'oi'' scopes over the part "http://www"; only.
>
> Example of spoken text: ''lo salpo (ku) fa'u lo finti cu smuni zo'oi saka
> fa'u zo'oi sa.ka lo ponjo'' __Error__, because the second ''zo'oi'' scopes
> over the part "sa" only.
> (This "ku" is elidable on a peg parser.)
>
>
> 4.
> Analogous to ''zo'oi'' and ''la'o'', there is also the word ''la'oi'',
> which works just like ''zo'oi'', but treats the quote as a name:
> __''la'oi''__ Quote next word only, use as name. Next word is identified
> by pauses in speech or whitespace in writing:
> ->
> Analogous to ''zo'oi'' and ''la'o'', there is also the word ''la'oi'',
> which works just like ''zo'oi'', but forms a smuti that refers to something
> called ''word'':
> __''la'oi''__ Scope over the next word only; "something called by the
> name...". Next word is identified by pauses in speech or whitespace/dot in
> writing:
>
>
> 5.
> How would you say: “My English name is “Safi””?
> __''glico''__ x1 is English/pertains to English culture in aspect x2
> __''cmene''__ x1 is the name of x2 as used by x3
>
> Answer: ~~grey,grey:''mi glico se cmene la'oi Safi''. Notice the necessary
> se. We don't what to say that we're a name!~~
> ->
> How would you say: ““Safi” is an English guy. It's his name”?
> __''glico''__ x1 is English/pertains to English culture in aspect x2
> __''cmene''__ x1 is the name of x2 as used by x3
>
> Answer: ~~grey,grey:''la'oi Safi glico .i lu'e ri cmene ri''~~
>
>
> 6. (to be added after the examples of la'oi:)
> ''la'oi'' has the same problem as ''zo'oi'': the word following ''la'oi''
> should not include a period, a glottal stop nor a pause. For example, the
> following sentences are not parsed even with an experimental grammar!
>
> Example of written text: ''.u'a mi te vecnu lo zgike datni pe la'oi
> t.A.T.u'' __Error__, because ''la'oi'' scopes over the part "t" only.
> ("t.A.T.u" was a musical group.)
>
> Example of spoken text: ''la'oi .uli.uli zgike tutci'' __Error__, because
> ''la'oi'' scopes over the first "uli" only.
> ("`uli`uli" is a Hawaiian musical instrument.)
>
> Example of spoken text: ''ju'i la'oi
> jugemujugemugokounosurikirekaijarisuigiono-
> suigioumatsu,unraimatsufuuraimatsuku,uneru-
> tokoronisumutokoro,iaburakoujinoburakouji-
> paipopaipopaiponosiu,uringansiu,uringan,no-
> gu,urindaigu,urindainoponpokopi,inoponpoko-
> na,anotcoukiu,umeinotcousuke
> mi'o ko'oi klama lo ckule''
> Don't take a breathing in the name, or it results in an __Error__.
> ("じゅげむじゅげむごこうのすりきれかいじゃりすいぎょのすいぎょうまつうんらいまつふうらいまつくうねるところにすむところやぶらこうじのぶらこうじぱいぽぱいぽぱいぽのしゅーりんがんしゅーりんがんのぐーりんだいぐーりんだいのぽんぽこぴーのぽんぽこなーのちょうきゅうめいのちょうすけ"
> is a famous Japanese name of a boy.)
>
>
> 7.
> The unofficial word ''me'oi'' is equivalent to me la'e ''zo'oi'', which
> means that it converts the content of the next word into a selbri. It is
> used to invent brivla on the fly: ''mi ca zgana la me'oi X-files'' for “I
> now watch X-files”. Like all quote next word-cmavo, it is not supported by
> the official grammar, but to the lazy Lojbanist, it's invaluable.
> ->
> The unofficial word ''me'oi'' is equivalent to me la'e ''zo'oi'', which
> means that it converts the content of the next word into a selbri. It is
> used to invent brivla on the fly: ''mi ca zgana la me'oi X-files'' for “I
> now watch X-files”. Like ''zo'oi'' and ''la'oi'', it is not supported by
> the official grammar, and [
> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/FY2m4kqJ_tg/discussion|muchproblematic in parsing with an experimental grammar].
>
>
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