Re: [lojban] Problems with gismu

On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 1:22 PM, lorxus <coronacoreanici@gmail.com> wrote:

coi ro do

It seems like for a language that prides itself on regularity, ease of learning and use, and logic, Lojban sure has weird and incomplete gismu.

A given gismu can have anywhere from 1 to 5 places of varying types, some of them a sign of gismu bloat, and there are even a few extremely obvious gismu with clear counterparts are excluded. My proposals: first, make all gismu be exactly 3 places long, with the first an agent, the second a patient, and the third a beneficiary - loosely.

https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/Rx3a3ToGVqw/discussion

For gismu like {blanu}, we might have "x1 is blue of shade x2 to observer x3", or something like that; {zdani} might be "x1 is a house for x2 owned by x3".

Additionally, we would have a few 1-place gismu to collect all the gismu bloat - things like "x1 is a standard for x2 (ka?) used by x3", "x1 is an epistemology for truths about x2 (du'u) used by x3", or "x1 is a condition/mitigating factor/modifier on event x2 (nu?) affecting x3".

No one forces you NOT to use superfluous places replacing them with {ma'i} instead of "by standard" etc.

As for blatantly missing gismu: why is there no word for salty, but words for sweet, bitter, sour, and spicy?

Because the underlying physicochemical processes are diverse. It can be only salt that causes the salty taste. That's why it's reasonable to use a lujvo from it. However, you are free to create your own gismu and start using them. Anyone stops you?

(bonus points for whoever decided to make a lujvo for spicy meaning pain-flavored) Why don't we have gismu for arrive

what's wrong with {tolyli'a} ? Is it too lengthy for you?

, old

Heh, there is experimental {laldo = tolcitno}

, discard

to'e randa?

, follow (because I assume that jersi does not have this sense)

Isn't it {se gidva} ?

, or appear?

tolcanci

Why not for otter, or carrot, or dolphin, or any passerine bird?

What's that bad with fu'ivla? {delfinu} is even easier to remember that some hypothetical {*flinu}.

If I am overly inexperienced to talk about this, or there are good reasons for not making one of the few irregular and irritating points of a beautiful language reflect the rest of it, please tell me so.

re'isai mi'e lorxus

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