Re: [lojban] lo fraso ma'oste

[Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>]

On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:

On Tuesday, December 31, 2013 12:47:24 Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
> Here is french ma'oste ready for corrections.
>
> I remember myself translating parts of ma'oste into Russian and it was a
> nightmare. We definitely should have better definitions in order to
> correctly explain cmavo in other languages. But here is what we have so far:
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11LkhR_q-DQDrPQogjt9NKGkFlUbDbAMPuo8
> S1rI11JM/edit#gid=505130232
>
> I used definitions of UI approved by Robin that show full scale only in
> notes instead of awkward
> "attitudinal: acceptance - blame."
> that confused newbies a lot.
>
> Anyway if anyone is willing to check the list and translate what hasnt been
> translated welcome into that spreadsheet.

There are lots of cmavo that have no simple translation (this is true of any
two languages that aren't closely related; try defining English "for" in, for
example, Ancient Greek). But some do have simple translations. "Ki'a" is just
"hein", except that you can't negate "hein" in French.

Why are there definition and gloss columns? Should "attitudinal: confusion" go
in the definition column and "hein" in the gloss column?

Turn on common sense? I think the true definition of {ki'a} should be something like:

ki'a

definition: attitudinal: confusion; "Huh?"

notes: The full scale is: {ki'a} (confusion) - {ki'acu'i} - {ki'anai} ("I understand")

gloss: Huh?

And e.g. the gloss for {u'u} should be "I am sorry". Otherwise we get have these many cryptic definitions and few people willing to learn them.

But it's only my opinion.

Pierre
--
li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du
li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci

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