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Re: [lojban] [oz] Quick question: {ju'o ru'a}



Now that I think of it, abduction is precisely about making hypotheses...

I think I felt uneasy because I first tried to combine the meanings of {ju'o} and {ru'a} in a non-orthogonal way...

mu'o
mi'e .asiz.


On 4 February 2014 22:08, Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:



On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Felipe Gonçalves Assis <felipeg.assis@gmail.com> wrote:
Hmm, the analysis of this as certainty+assumption hasn't sunk in yet, but I think I see the unity behind the examples.

In all of them, the cusku is abducting something from his experience, don't you think?

If this is the case, it reminds me of {ja'o}, because it is an inference, after all. Admittedly, {ja'o} would sound strange to me, because I feel like the cusku is concluding something from what was said before. Maybe a {za'a} could help?
 
My take is that when she says `I must be shutting up like a telescope.' she is making a hypothesis as opposed to stating it as a fact (hence "ru'a") and also expressing a high degree of certainty that the hypothesis is correct ("ju'o"). It may well be that her certainty comes from experience or direct observation, and we may infer that from the situation, but I don't think she is actually expressing that. This "ru'a ju'o" would work just as well for other such uses of "must" that don't involve direct experience, as in "that must be your brother" or "she must be home by now".

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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