Am Wed, 9 Apr 2014 12:55:30 +0400
schrieb Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>:
I thing those so-called “cimjvo” (what a silly word! An .u'ivla,
> We know that gimste represents more or less most basic concepts.
> But what about fu'ivla and cimjvo?
> Although, we have a frequency dictionary what are in your opinion the
> most important of them?
really! xD)
are super rare in Lojban. I can’t you give any new examples
and I don’t think they play a large role in Lojban. Metaphors are an
exception in lujvo already. Dropping the pe'a as well is an exception
to an exception. So it’s no wonder I can’t name you such words.
And that’s good. In Lojban, everything is to be taken literally except
when otherwise stated. This is a very good idea in my eyes and I don’t
see why this principle should be broken.
Instead of translating such strange words, I think it may be more
appropriate to create a new word instead, one which does not need a
metaphor in the first place. At the very least, a new word where the
metaphor is explicit (with “pe'a”) can always be created from the old
word.
I just did that with “cimjvo” by creating “pevycimjvo”. The definition
of “cimjvo” is actually useful, it’s just the word that’s silly (to me).
BTW: I don’t count “fu'ivla” as a an implicit metaphor lujvo. A loan
word is really just a “copy word”. You copy the word from one language
to another. Okay, maybe not EXACTLY copy it, but you get the idea. The
relations of rafsi in lujvo do not have to be 100% accurate. but that
does not make them to metaphors already.
I am unsure about “zi'evla”, however.
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