Re: [lojban] Specifying sumti types: another revision of gimste is complete

[Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>]

2014-05-24 18:31 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>:

On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 2:41 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

Another revision of gimste done by me is complete.

I based it on excellent simple definitions of gismu made by la .aionys. (.io) but changed them here and there.

The most important difference is that I specified possible sumti types for each place.

E.g.

(event) - an event place. {nu} or any other place like nicte1 that has {nu} inside is possible for this place.

(assertion) - du'u

(property) - ka with ce'u referring to x1 of the current gismu

(property of x2) - ka with ce'u referring to x2 of the current gismu
One of the rare sumti types is e.g. (ordered set) that requires using {ce'o}.

Places with just x1, x2... without a sumti type specified imply "object" sumti type (e.g. mlatu1)

Do you have a full list of the types you used?

I tried to put all registered sumti types and subtypes into one table. However, I can miss some of them.

http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=La_Bangu:_dictionary 

When you flag a place with a type, do you mean that no other type is allowed in that place

No other place is allowed. If you disagree for a given places of a given brivla please bug me.

Such restriction will allow users to manage the dictionary better and avoid sumti raisings and metonymy.

, or just that at least the mentioned type is allowed? 

The gismu that changed their place structure are:

zabna, mabla, traji, satci, konju

There are many gismu with place structure "x1 is a ... (some shape) of material x2". If you remove the material place from "konju", wouldn't it also make sense to remove it from bolci, slanu, clupa, djine, bliku, tapla, tubnu, grana, bidju, dirgo, and many others? Why "konju" specifically? 

To remove those material places we'd need to assume that {slanu} can be only a material object. Therefore, a cylinder drawn in AutoCAD would require a separate brivla. It's better to think that ignoring a place in a discourse leads to putting {zi'o} into that place but without changing the predicate (therefore, {zi'o} is not really correct, let's just say the place is deleted).

As for {konju} i filed a separate bug for it in the mriste. Its official definition is somewhat broken.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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