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Re: [lojban] Balningau: The Great Update



Yes, it  is time to move this to another thread,  To round off here, however, if 'lo' is to be used as xorxes argued for over the years, then either every part of every broda must also be a broda or else 'lo broda' does not always refer to a broda.  Each of these has consequences wrt the definition of 'lo', the second obviously. the first because there are then on individuals to enumerate with internal quantifiers (or external, for that matter). The living/dead/squashed issue does not enter in an interesting way, since the issue arises whatever the universe of discourse assigns to 'broda'.



On Saturday, May 24, 2014 2:39 PM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:


la .pycyn. cu cusku di'e
> But at least the last of these may
> include in the referent of 'lo broda' things which are not broda in any
> sense, but rather, for example, broda bits. (There was broda all over my
> bumper after I plowed into a herd of brodas.)

Whether or not those things are considered things that {broda} depends
on the universe of discourse. There is no pre-defined set of things
which can and can't satisfy {broda} in all contexts.

>Of course, this possibility does also rely on there not being
> any absolute individuals, since me here extends below things which are
> brodas (individual brodas still have members, they just aren't brodas).

If the universe of discourse in question makes no distinction between an
alive broda and one that got squashed, then they both {broda} equally.
In another context, they may be considered distinct and then only one of
them will {broda}, and the other is something else.

None of this is strictly tied to {lo} or xorlo, but to the semantics of
universes of discourse.

mi'e la selpa'i mu'o


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