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Re: [lojban] Balningau: The Great Update
On 5/25/2014 10:50 AM, selpa'i wrote:
- Even if people knew that, lojbanists basically may be split into two
camps, the “before gismu rewrite” and the “after gismu rewrite” camp.
Already the case for cmavo and for several gismu. Consider Lojbab who
refuses to use xorlo even though it's official.
I don't "refuse" to use it. I don't understand it, and thus CAN'T use
it, except insofar as my usage just happens to be compatible with xorlo,
which xorxes says is essentially always.
And "xorlo" itself is an English coinage and not a gismu, so far as I know.
- The existing regular lujvo using this gismu may become irregular. A
person may wonder “Huh? Where did that X place come from?”. The lujvo
would still work, but remembering will be harder.
Regular lujvo will change automatically in usage
NOTHING changes automatically.
and where needed the definitions can be updated in the dictionary.
We can't get the existing stuff done.
I am not saying these problems are neccessarily unsolvable. But the
proposal does not seem to address any of these problems.
Well, instead of shooting it down categorically, you could have asked
for clarification. Afterall, this is supposed to be a joint effort.
You may think it is supposed to be, but it isn't. It is a small group
of you and your fellow-travelers going off half-cocked. Most people are
NOT interested in designing part of all of an artificial language. They
choose to use Lojban because it is DONE (even if not fully documented).
And they value our commitment against ad hoc prescriptive change.
You did not experience what happened when JCB did his redesign of his
gismu list. The rather small TLI Loglan community essentially
disappeared for several years.
There is a non-negligible number of people who support the revision and
who are going to take part. Maybe they are going to speak up themselves.
We won't stop them, but LLG cannot support them.
lojbab
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