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Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban's leadership and how I don't give a shit about it



On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Dustin Lacewell <dlacewell@gmail.com> wrote:
Jonathan,

I think you're on key, by bringing up the actual policies that currently exist on paper. While I'm mindfully not going to try to argue anyone here about what those policies say (they are available for anyone to read) I think even this aspect of the motion can be discussed by re-raising the perspective regarding Lojban's practical reality when it comes to political efforts, councils, procedures, hearings and so forth. Do I gain any points here by pointing out the incoherence between the intentions of those policies and their non-implementation? In the same way that we're nominating selpa'i to 'last-step' integration of changes to the language over some idealized formal direct democracy, I think we can apply similar admissions to the effectiveness of leaning on long standing but unrealized intentions.

I want to also reply to your statements about finishing a baseline, unfreezing the language, and then the thing you said about how it wouldn't matter at that point how the leadership goes since the official capacities are 'finished' and everything becomes volunteer at that point, but I have to run for a while.

No, you misunderstand. I didn't say it won't matter once the baseline is finished "because everything is done", I said it doesn't matter /now/ because it isn't. No changes are allowed as long as the freeze is in effect, and the freeze is in effect until the baseline (, the baseline being the language as it officially is /now/,) is 100% finished being documented. As far as the volunteer thing, again, I'm referring to the /current/ state, not any possible future one. As far as the official capacities are concerned, especially RE: the BPFK, I don't think they will ever be "finished". Lojban is not intended to be a static, unchanging language, and the BPFK's role is to maintain and update the documentation of the official status of the language, as in, what the words mean, how they can or can not be used, etc. etc.
 
I will say something like, we agree, and we're simply merging all of those exactly true facts under a more direct and achievable (by achievable I mean, as per the willing to do this work) means. This has not only to do with selpa'i gaining some say in what is committed to the language, but also things I have alluded to regarding putting the language in a more collaborative format and using patterns from software development to manage on going progress - the kind I imagine you envision after such 'unfreezing'.

Thanks for that very good reply.

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