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Re: [lojban] Possession/transfer/exchange predicates




2014-06-09 2:07 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>:
If we search for "pedantically" in the official gismu list, we find 15 hits, corresponding to the notes on these words:

canja/cerda/cirko/cnemu/dirba/dunda/friti/jdima

not sure what jdima1 should connect to.
the price of getting (becoming a possesor of) an apple or the price of giving an apple (giving a possesion)?
 
/jerna/jinga/kargu
kargu1 - property of x2???


/pleji

pleji4=property of pleji3
 
/prali/vamji

i forgot how to use vamji4
 
/vecnu


^ All these gismu moved to "klesi4=Action. Possesion interactions".


The comment is basically the same for all of them: "pedantically, for objects/commodities, this is sumti-raising from ownership of the object/commodity". This comment comes after saying that the argument place in question can be an object, commodity, event or property, so it's hard to say what the punctilious follower of the gismu list is supposed to do with these words. Are they allowed to take objects or not?

If we search for "sumti-raising" we get those 15 plus xajmi and djica.
not sure why xajmi1 should be a property of x2.

Still it is possible of course. {lo ka xalbebna cu xajmi mi}
But do we need to specify it in the definition? What else can ce'u in xajmi1 refer to if not to x2 (this of course make xajmi3 unnecessary)?

May be we should specify 
1. "property" in x1 when it refers not to x2
2. "property" in x2, x3, x4, x5 when it refers not to x1

Revised simple gimste already says just "property" instead of "property of x1" so the item 2. has been applied already.

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