Re: [lojban] Re: End vowel for slot?

Well, "better" is tricky, since we never tested how "good" the Loglan/Lojban system was. But a priori creations would help with issues that the present system ignores, like better word separation (the noisy channel problem or just finding more rafsi) or more equitable phoneme distribution (for some aesthetic reason). But it is a real pain to do, whereas the present system gave a good starting point that got the creators most of the way through the list. Of course, a program could be devised to generate a field of words of predetermined form, satisfying the distribution criteria and then assign them willy-nilly (or even under some criteria) to a list (from somewhere -- maybe Loglan, after all) of meanings. I'm not sure that would be significantly harder to learn the the gismu list (and, indeed, it might well provide a real test for the claim that the present list is easy to learn -- against everyone's experiences).

On Sunday, August 24, 2014 11:32 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

2014-08-24 20:21 GMT+04:00 MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com>:

A priori creation is one. It could be much better than what was actually done.

Then show one.

stevo

On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

2014-08-24 17:41 GMT+04:00 TR NS <transfire@gmail.com>:

On Sunday, August 24, 2014 12:40:19 AM UTC-4, la gleki wrote:

http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=gism

"However, they are there from the gismu creation process to provide mnemonic assistance. How quickly would you learn banguwithout the angu of the English (pronounced languedj)? Would a Chinese speaker learn vanju as easily without the chinese "jiu" (pronounced [dziou]) being the entire second syllable?"

I can't really take this explanation seriously. I personally think this one place Logan/Lojban failed. Creating words by statistically mixing the letters of words from other languages just ends up creating words that on the whole no one recognizes.

.ie
However, what are the alternatives?

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