Re: [lojban] End vowel for slot?

Oops, my comments were about the general principle (final vowels for converting place structure), not about the Loglan "example". Note that the Loglan is, in fact, four primitive predicates whichshare a common central concept and a four-letter chunk, not a single predicate with variations on the final vowel. There is no common predicate "x1 is a piece of the Loglan language as spoken in area x2 by speakers x3 reflecting cultural traits x4" or so. And, even if there were, this is a unique case and the principle was not generalized beyond this (and a fewe cultural predicates which also occurred in clusters). These cases are from before the "Great Morphological Revolution" (1980) which tended to disparage such similarity in primitives in the interest of a more controlled derivation process. And the usual suggestion about final vowels i Loglan was to indicate the number of arguments, a significant fact that was not visible at that stage.

On Tuesday, August 19, 2014 11:31 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:

The vowel groupings are in L4 with notations from 1975. They seem to be part of the original
 language. 

logla, 

log <Loglan, the language>  L-Prim L4 '75 7.4


   (1n) B is an element/feature/_expression_ of Loglan. [B-]  
    (a) Loglan, pert. to the loglan language. 
   lo — (n) Loglan, the mass of such elements. 


   Used in: damlogla;  logcia;  logdia;  logduo;  logmao;  logpli;  logpozfa;  logtaa;  norlogla;  
logle, 


<Loglan, the language>  D-Prim JRK '83 3.6
   (1a) B is an Loglandic place/territory, a region inhabited by Loglanders.  [B-]  
logli, 
<Loglan, the language>  D-Prim L4 '75 1.0


   (1n) B is anLoglan speaker/Loglander.  [B-]  
    (a) Loglan.  
   lo — (n) (the) Loglanders, the mass of such persons.  


   Used in: cnulogli;  
loglo, 
<<Loglan, the language>  D-Prim L4 '75 1.0


   (1n) B is an element/feature/_expression_ of the Loglandic culture.  [B-]  
    (a) Loglan, pert. to the Loglan culture.  
   lo — (n) Loglan, the mass of such elements.  
stevo

On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 5:40 PM, 'John E Clifford' via lojban <lojban@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Well. this features must be relatively new. i.e., since JCB, It i not in the Loglan 1 of th 1980s.

On Tuesday, August 19, 2014 3:00 PM, TR NS <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, August 19, 2014 1:50:36 AM UTC-4, la gleki wrote:

Loglan worked this way:
logli = x1 is a Loglan speaker/Loglander.
loglo = x1 is an element/feature/_expression_ of the Loglandic culture.
logle = x1 is an Loglandic place/territory, a region inhabited by Loglanders.

logla = x1 is an element/feature/_expression_ of Loglan.

I did not know. I have the Loglan 1 book, but I haven't read much of it yet compared to the LLC. I'll have to look for that.

Thanks.

.trans.
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