[lojban] {se me}

[Ilmen <ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com>]

coi ro do

I recently discovered that {lo se me ko'a} isn't a valid method for 
creating a description sumti from the special sumti slot introduced by 
{me}. The reason is, {me} being a syntactically irregular predicate, it 
actually has no x2 as such, and {me ko'a} is considered as a unary 
predicate, which results in {lo se me ko'a} being semantically undefined.

The best paraphrases I can think of that do not use experimental cmavo 
are the following:
• lo ckaji be lo ka ko'a me ce'u (ku)
• zo'e noi ko'a me ke'a (ku'o)

Both of the above are pretty awkward and/or long paraphrases for what 
would have simply been {lo selbri be ko'a} with a regular predicate word.

Therefore I'd like to know if any of you can think of a good way to turn 
the relation {me} "X is/are among (the referents of) Y" into a regular 
predicate word form (brivla).

One possible solution could have been making a lujvo from {me}, but it 
turns out that {me} has no rafsi. As for using {zei} (me zei ckaji or 
whatever), this doesn't look like a very appealing solution for such a 
basic and frequent predicate, as the resulting lexeme would be likely at 
least four syllables long.

Another possibility would be making an experimental gismu or a zi'evla. 
Running la gimyzba on the translations of "among" in the 8~12 largest 
world languages gives me {menre} as the best-scoring gismu form that 
doesn't clash with any official gismu. ("menre" mostly comes 
etymologically from the Spanish "entre", the Hindi "mem/men", the 
English "among" and the Russian "sredi".)

Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated.

mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o

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