Re: [lojban] Logos Initiative

[Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>]

On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 2:49 PM, TR NS <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:

Logla is a means to take on larger potential changes. Things like simplified connectives (https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/lojban/proposal/lojban/ExtEumbYoQg/A5IdZQ9Y5OEJ), a simplified rafsi system, even re-consideration of the morphology.

Speaking specifically of the connectives, I myself look forward to the day when that proposal arrives on the voting block so I can cast my approval. Large changes to Lojban are not impossible. If it's a good idea, then I'm fairly certain the BPFK would vote it in- not unanimously, I'm sure, we don't all agree on everything. Not counting the freeze in place until the baseline is completed, the only thing that would prevent a change- great or small- to Lojban, is whether or not such a change was verifyably better than the thing before the change. And, in fact, even the freeze doesn't prevent change entirely, as xorlo happened even with the freeze, which seems to me to say that xorlo's changes are so obviously better than the previous state that waiting for the baseline was just not worth it.

Admittedly, I don't think it very likely that a change proposal for the morphology would be very likely, but again, that really depends on the change itself. I mean, everyone knows the mekso portion of it is completely borked right now, so if someone managed to come up with a mekso that wasn't, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see it voted in.

But even so, there are a lot of things I've seen proposed during my time here that I would expect would likely get passed were they ever formally put to the BPFK. Off the top of my head, changing the meaning of sa (it currently means "erase previous up to point of following word's class" as in {mi nelci lonu plise sa lo plise}, but in my admittedly limited experience people tend to use it as "replace that typo with this word" as in {mi klama fo lo karce sa fu}), making kibro, lo'ai, sa'ai, le'ai official, and probably a bunch of other stuff I can't think of off the top of my head.

I can't say whether or not a fork would be needed for what you desire, since I don't know what you desire beyond cutting through the red tape, but I don't agree that a fork is needed to cut through the tape-- it's one ribbon. Granted, it's a big ribbon that's still being cut after decades of on again, off again work by a vast number of people done a bit at a time until each person maxed out their burnout:caring ratio (I did a few sections before I hit that, actually), but it's not a hard task, just one being done with "dull" scissors. (Because the work is tedious. Ha! A pun!)

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