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Re: [lojban] The important distinction between "cmene" and "cmevla"

Technically, not every cmevla is a cmene, because not every cmevla actually names something. {krastinarkasticardisorimefarnodrakis} probably doesn't name anything, for example. But that's the only role they can fill in the language (outside ZOI and friends, of course). This is what is meant by "all cmevla are cmene". It's sloppy, I agree, but it's easier than saying "all cmevla can act as cmene, and cannot do anything else."

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 3:38 PM, 'Wuzzy' via lojban <lojban@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> (Should {cmene} perhaps be reserved
> for {la. ... .} expressions or would that introduce a new confusion
> where people, asked for their names, gave things that astarted with
> {la} and ended witha pause?

No, that would be most likely be incorrect. The x1 of cmene (also
cmevla) *is* the text, it says so clearly in the definition.

“la uuZIT cu cmene”
means that there is a name /which goes by the name “uuZIT”/.
Yes, you say that the name has a name. xD
This is almost certainly wrong unless this is what you actually wanted
to say.

“zo uuZIT cu cmene”
in turn means that the word “uuZIT” is a name. This is correct. It is
my name (in Lojban). :-)

This is a known pitfall when using the word “cmene”. See also:
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/White+Knight%27s+Song+Gotcha

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