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Re: [lojban] Re: criticism of lojban needed
Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG, On 04/09/2014 00:43:
On 9/3/2014 12:30 PM, selpa'i wrote:
If the goal is to make a language that unambiguously encodes logic, then
that's relatively easy to achieve. See xorban for one model that doesn't
add too much unnecessary baggage. Lojban does achieves it too to some
degree, but it has so much extras that most of the language is still
undefined. We cannot easily convert Lojban to logic due to that.
I need to note here that if the goal is merely to encode logic, then
Lojban can probably be called "successful" in that I believe that
anything expressible in logical notation can probably be represented
in Mex (the operators needed for any given notation have not been
defined, but Mex is defined so as to allow innumerable sets of
operators as well as precedences).
So far as I know, no one in the community is interested in such a
narrow goal.
For lots of people in the community that goal is the bare minimum and then success is measured by how ergonomically the logic is encoded. Lojban can encode logic, but does so extraordinarily badly. And as Selpa'i notes, most of Lojban doesn't unambiguusly encode logic.
And what about simplicity? Here Gua\spi and Xorban are the clear
winners, closely followed by Toaq Dzu, and far in the distance comes
Lojban. Just compare the sizes of their grammars to get a rough idea.
Of course part of the problem is that very few such languages have
been USED to the extent that Lojban has.
Part of what problem? The problem of Lojban being so unnecessarily complex? Lojban is not more complex because it has been used. It is more complex because its creators and leaders never cared much about simplicity.
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