Re: [lojban] Re: tersmu 0.2

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Martin Bays <mbays@sdf.org> wrote:

To make it work the way you suggest, we'd have to have sumbasti also
allowed to have non-constant references, and break the compositionality
of restrictive clauses (which admittedly is already broken in some other
cases, e.g. {da poi broda}). Do you think it could be made to work and
would be a good idea?

The way I'm thinking about it, "fyno" would have all the values of the function as its referents, so it is a plural constant, and "fyno pe da" restricts those values to the one(s) associated with da. So instead of using "fyno" to refer to a function, I would use it to refer to the values of the function, which is only what you end up using anyway. You only use the values of the function, "li ma'o fyno mo'e da lo'o", never "fyno" by itself. It's just a different notation for the same thing.

Lojban doesn't have an open class of function words (only the closed class: LAhE), so if you are going to have function terms you will be representing them with a composite _expression_ one way or another. It seems to me that using "fy pe da" is just easier to read than "li ma'o fy mo'e da lo'o". Allowing "pe" in your final output seems no more harmful than allowing "li". 

In your output form you don't distinguish the definitions (except when they involve "le", which get marked as "ju'o nai") from the assertions. Perhaps they could be given different illocutionary force, maybe "ca'e". So the output for "[ju'a] ro da poi verba cu prami lo mamta be da" would look something like:

ca'e ro da poi ke'a verba ku'o zo'u fyno pe da mamta da
.i [ju'a] ro da poi ke'a verba ku'o zo'u da prami fyno pe da

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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