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Re: [lojban] {porsi}




On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Ilmen <ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com> wrote:

On 28/01/2015 00:06, Jorge Llambías wrote:

Describing the porsi2 of [b,r,o,d,o] is a pain because it's an arbitrary sequence, not one that follows some simple rule. Since we're going to need to refer to two instances of the letter "o" we can use the pronouns ".o bu xi pa" and ".o bu xi re" for each instance, and "by", "ry" and "dy" for the other three letter instances. Then porsi2 could be something like "lo du'u ge by cu pa moi gi ge ry cu re moi gi ge .o bu xi pa cu ci moi gi ge dy cu vo moi gi ,o bu xi re cu mu moi".

"N moi" is a claim stating a relation between three arguments and a number. What are the x2 and x3 of moi there so that the bridi's claim holds true?

x2 is the same as porsi3. x3 can be zi'o'ed out, since all we need is an appropriate mapping to the naturals, which we are giving.

I think {moi} is totally inappropriate there, as we need a sorting rule for defining another sorting rule; porsi-2 should at least be an unary property of porsi-1, and I guess that {lidne} or {li'erla'i} is the way to go for building up the sequence.

{porsi lo ka fi ce'u li'erla'i fa by fe ry gi'e li'erla'i fa ry fe .obu gi'e.....}

pei

Taking porsi2 to be a property of porsi1 ? I guess.

My first thought, before giving an explicit mapping to (an initial segment of) the naturals, was to give an ordering relation, but that's even longer than yours, something like "lo ka ce'u xi pa goi ko'a ce'u xi re goi ko'e zo'u tu'e ganai ge ko'a du by gi ko'e du ry gi ko'a lidne ko'e ;i je ga nai ge ko'a du ...". But then you will say that you want to know what lidne3 is, and so I have to zi'o it out again.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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