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Re: [lojban] the myth of monoparsing



2015-02-07 19:33 GMT+03:00 And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com>:


On 7 Feb 2015 06:24, "Gleki Arxokuna" <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
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> 2015-02-06 22:53 GMT+03:00 And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com>:
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>> If that's true -- I haven't checked (and couldn't because I don't understand the Lojban) -- then it's coincidence.
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> Sorry but if you don't understand Lojban then ... why all this discussion here?

I mainly got involved because you seemed not to understand English or linguistics, and I'd hoped my involvement might serve to enlighten.


Okay but I was comparing Lojban with English.
If someone doesn't understand both sides then the judgement will be anything but fair and reasonable. 

> I was trying to show how Lojban parsers deal with another level of analysing text.
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> If you can't compare two languages then how can you say what's going on in Lojban?
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> It's a must to understand what {lo se xi vei mo'e zo'e nei} means.

It sounds like it would be useful, yes, and perhaps in due course it might occur to you to offer an explanation of what it means.


{mo'e zo'e} is a vague number. It can have any value, e.g. {pa} (which means 1 in Lojban) , {re} (2), 3 etc.

{lo nei} refers to the first place of the current clause.
{lo se nei} refers to the second place of the current clause.
{lo se xi vei pa nei} is the same as {lo nei}.
{lo se xi vei re nei} is the same as {lo se nei}.

Now let's replace in {lo se xi vei mo'e zo'e nei} this {mo'e zo'e} with a precise number, e.g. {pa} or {re}

We get 
{lo se xi vei pa nei}
{lo se xi vei re nei}

Thus if we replace vague numbers with precise numbers we get several possible interpretations of the sentence that correspond to different parses of English sentence in may be all known English parsers.

I'm fine with both interpretations.

Both seems useful to me.

But as I said in an earlier message, since Lojban is committed to being monoparsing, that Lojban sentence will monoparse, and its continuing relevance is not obvious. You explained why you thought it was the same as the English example, and I endeavored to explain why everybody else thinks otherwise.


Because everybody else parses it in a different way having a different understanding and tools.
 

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