[lojban] On the meanings of the causal gismu

[Ilmen <ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com>]

• jalge = x1 (action/event/state) is a result/outcome/conclusion of antecedent x2 (event/state/process). —— Also: x2 gives rise to x1 (= selja'e for reordered places); total (general meaning, but also = mekyja'e, pi'irja'e, sujyja'e).
• rinka = x1 (event/state) effects/physically causes effect x2 (event/state) under conditions x3. —— x1 is a material condition for x2; x1 gives rise to x2.
• banzu = x1 (object) suffices/is enough/sufficient for purpose x2 under conditions x3.
• bapli = x1 [force] (ka) forces/compels event x2 to occur; x1 determines property x2 to manifest. —— Also constrains; requires success, unlike the physics term (better expressed by danre).
• danre = x1 (force) puts pressure on/presses/applies force to x2. |>>> Agentive press/depress (= da'ergau, da'erzu'e).

— What is the semantic difference between {selja'e}, {rinka} and {bapli}? Does {selja'e} express a weaker relation than that expressed by {rinka}?

— The notes of {rinka} say it is a material condition; however, a true logical material condition (ganai...gi...) does not express any causal/physical relationship (if I'm not mistaken), which seems to contradict the main definition of {rinka}. So, does {rinka} entails a causal relationship?

— Is {danre} the right word for the physics notion of "force"? If so, what {bapli} is all about?

— Which of the three below meanings should {banzu} have? (All of the below meanings are used in actual usage, making {banzu} a polysemous predicate.)
1) That x1 happens is a sufficient condition for x2 to happen.
2) The amount x1 (ni) is great enough for x2 to happen.
3) The amount of x1 having property x2 is great enough for x3 to happen.

#1 parallels {sarcu} and seems redundant to {rinka}; #2 is the same thing as {banzuni}; #3 parallels the meaning/usage for {dukse}, and sometimes {banzuka} is used for this meaning.


Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Best regards, Ilmen.

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