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Re: [lojban] star (shape)





2015-04-15 17:46 GMT+03:00 MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com>:
Then I must have weird eyes, because I don't see them that way. 

But others do. Stars have always been depicted with spikes long before the invention of telescope. Lens fibers are likely candidates for this phenomenon since as Helmholtz noticed point source of light has different shape in left and right eye.
Maybe you can confirm it when looking at something other than stars?


And photographs do show points on stars, especially very bright ones. 

stevo

On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


2015-04-15 17:27 GMT+03:00 MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com>:
Gleki, you said "Anyway, I can't see any language that would distinguish them probably because human eye sees every star in the sky except the Sun with protrusions i.e. as a "star polygon"."

I disagree. I would say that people see NO star (or planet) as having protrusions. They're just bright points. Camera/photographic artifacts do add points sometimes. 

No, human eye does see them with protrusions. Camera obviously doesn't.
Human eye sees them that way. That's how it is constructed.
 

stevo

On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 2:28 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


2015-04-15 7:39 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>:
The word "star" is polysemous:
1. a heavenly body that emits light;
2. a non-convex shape that has a point from which all the inside can be seen;
3. a chief or excellent performer.
Sense 1 is {tarci}. Sense 3 could be expressed by a lujvo, which I won't worry
about right now. Sense 2, I think, deserves a gismu, but doesn't have one.

I think that sense 2 deserves a gismu because it appears in several compounds:

Definition: x1 is a star non-convex polygon with x2 (number) regular pointy protrusions and x2 indentations.

Or should we use a separate brivla for x2 to parallel other geometrical mostly one-place brivla (ignoring "material" places)?
Or put it another way should geometry brivla parallel each other in their place structure?
A separate question how do we define star being a regular one? Using {kubli}, right?

Anyway, I can't see any language that would distinguish them probably because human eye sees every star in the sky except the Sun with protrusions i.e. as a "star polygon".

{stela} and {estrela} come to mind but they are taken by semantics of {tarci} so it's be impolite to steal them. {stelatai} maybe.

Asterisk would be probably {astrisko}.

Also I can't find a word for "celestial body" in general like "planet/star/dwarf planet/comet", {se kensa} is probably enough but {astro} hasnt been taken by anything yet.


 
starfish, star-nosed mole, stellated polyhedron. What do you think? What would
be a good word for it?

Something that would  have mnemonic power but wouldn't be a false friend. E.g. in Esperanto they usually change a vowel or a consonant so that two meanings get separated.

Pierre
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