Re: [lojban] CLLv1.1 goes out on Monday, 12 Oct 2015

[Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>]

On Sunday, October 11, 2015 12:31:29 Timothy Lawrence wrote:
> I have been briefly reviewing the CLL version at
> http://vrici.lojban.org/~rlpowell/media/public/cll_nochunks_2015-10-05/#sec
> tion-pronunciation
> 
> The main feedback I have is to be sure that its suggestion of pronunciation
> is correct, especially for "o".
> 
> The text seems to make assumptions about the reader's dialect of English.
> The section on pronunciation says "o as in “dome”" but my dialect of English
> pronounces "dome" as http://howjsay.com/index.php?word=dome&submit=Submit
> (i.e. a diphthong, which is incorrect). This may result in many readers
> learning the wrong pronunciation of Lojban.
> 
> I mentioned this issue also existing in the "Level 0 Booklet" publication in
> my "Pronunciation of "o"" email to the lojban-beginners group. There must
> be a better example word that has the correct "o" for all dialects of
> English.

I don't think there is. In my idiolect, which is a mix of different American 
dialects without the cot-caught merger, /o/ is diphthongized except before 
/r/, /ɔ/ is distinct, and /o/ and /ɒ/ contrast except before /r/. Rhotic 
speakers may have trouble separating /o/ from following /r/. Non-rhotic 
dialects do something different with /or/.

Pierre
-- 
li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa

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