Re: [lojban] Frankfurt

[selpahi <seladwa@gmx.de>]

la .piier. cu cusku di'e
> How would you Lojbanize "Frankfurt"? To me the best option seems to be
> ".frankyfuryt."

There are two types of cmevla in Lojban: jbocme, which consist only of 
lojbanic syllables, and zifcme, which are just a string of phonemes that 
don't violate any phonotactic constraints (e.g. voicing rules, invalid 
clusters etc) but ignore syllabic structure.

{.frankfurt.} is a valid zifcme, but not a jbocme, because it contains 
syllables whose coda contains more than one consonant.

Since zifcme contain phoneme strings that are not found in any other 
words (brivla or cmavo), they could be considered non-lojbanic, or less 
lojbanic than jbocme.

If a jbocme is the goal, then complex names such as "Frankfurt" need to 
be adjusted. Logically speaking there are two ways this can be done:

1) Add vowels wherever necessary to break up non-lojbanic consonant 
clusters into lojbanic syllables.
2) Remove consonants from the non-lojbanic consonant clusters.

{.frankyfuryt.} follows method 1.

A possible result of method 2 might be {.franfur.} or {.franfut.}.

How would a native Lojban speaker do it? We don't know, but I think it's 
likely that they would rather go for jbocme (if they have only been 
exposed to brivla and cmavo, and jbocme), and that they would simplify 
clusters according to some acquired intuition.

I can't say what's best, but the above are some of the thoughts I've 
recently had concerning the lojbanization of names.

mi'e la selpa'i mu'o

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